There's Your Karma, Ripe As Peaches

Since when can transsexuals can compete in their new gender? You'd think that'd be pretty big news. Guess I slept through it.

I dont think allowing trannies to compete with women is fair but that's a pretty classless, shitty thing to do on the blonde girl's part. Good call on the suspension.

How much of an advantage could this chick really have when she only beat the blonde girl by a second? I don't know much of a gap one second is when it comes to mountain biking but it can't be as extreme as finishing a second behind in track or swimming. This bitch should use the next 3 months to train and add a little speed.. maybe she won't have to act like an ignorant brat anymore.

the sad thing about this ho is she probably has no regrets about this move even with the suspension. she's the ignorant type who thinks it's all worth it.

Hadrian, it could still be an advantage, even if she only won by a second. Imagine that dumaresq was/would have been a crummy male downhiller, but is now champion in the women's division. Yes, it may have been only a second, but without a strength/body size advantage, she might not have even medalled. It would be interesting to get a physician's take on whether there is any "advantage", or if it's merely equivalent to being a large, physically gifted, non-transgendered, genetic female.
It's an interesting topic that came up in tennis decades ago with Dr. Renee Richards.

Did the tranny get its dick cut off so it could dominate the women's competition? If so it is the classless....thing..Go blondie go..love your spunk

Are fuccking serious? the classless bitch is the one in the center beating girls in competition. If you are sexually confused and want to remove your balls, go for it, but you are not a female. You can't be in the special olympics if youre not fuucking retarded.

If people born as men are allowed to compete as women, why have separate men's and women's divisions at all?

Dumaresq competing in the women's division is like me putting on a size 8 uniform and playing pee-wee footbal.

I'll give you that the Danika girl took the wrong road but there's no way this can be fair! that dude is fucking enormous!! downhill biking is all about gravity. that dude can probably coast faster than the poor girls that are pedaling at full speed.

by the way Flash, that t-shirt idea is some shit that YOU would try to do, so don't get all high and mighty on us now :)

Although Schroeter has been a long-time opponent of the fact that Dumaresq can race in the women's class, and she is sticking by that, she seems genuinely remorseful about acting in such poor sportsmanship. I think she was duped by her boyfriend, which is pretty god-damned sad on both their parts.

Dumaresq is three-time national champion but has only once cracked the top 10 on the World Cup. So her advantages are not insurmountable. Or unfair, IMO, but I'm not going to repeat the stuff on my blog.

Thanks for the link, Flash!

I'm with blondie ... She-Hulk should not be permitted to compete ... and if she is she should not be permitted to complain about jack sh*t ... take the abuse ... and take your BS medals and go home and shut up ... Mary Bonds ...

If I'm a girl racing against that, I'd want them to do a dick check at the top of the mountain. Dumaresq looks like a fat dude.

Even if their hormones change to the same level as regular women, they still have a size advantage and maybe even a natural strength one. Depending on their size to begin with, losing 30% of muscle may still leave them with more than a lot of women. Look at the size of the 2nd place girl. She doesn't have a lot to work with! In a lot of ways, I don't see how this is any different than doping.

"I thought Dumaresq was just a big girl that was a bit unfortunate looking"

Were you wondering where Donkey was ?

"Dumaresq is three-time national champion but has only once cracked the top 10 on the World Cup. So her advantages are not insurmountable."

But Amateur, what if she was a better athlete to begin with? As far as we know, she was no better than an average talent when she was a male. And with training, that translates decently well as a female once you get used to your body. But let's say you have a transsexual that was a national or world class level athlete before they switched. When that person goes to compete with their new gender, that base talent is going to be a serious advantage isn't it?

I don't know enough about the science to say whether or not it's unfair or not. I think the burden of proof lies on the person who switched gender. But in this case it's not the point at all. What the lady did was classless, and she should be embarrassed. Rules are rules. If you don't like the rules, fight to change them. Make a formal protest. Don't mock somebody that beat you, especially someone that probably takes unimaginable abuse every day even before she was competing. The second place lady should be ashamed of herself, and so should anyone who supported her publicly embarrassing a fellow competitor.

Also, for what it's worth, when Warner asked me to pick out the transexual on the podium the lady in the middle was my last choice.

The tranny should have been banned long ago. And don't talk about it being only a one second advantage, what that means is he was a mediocre cyclist as a male. What if the worlds second best male cyclist gets a sex change. Now that he beats someone by a lot does it become unfair? It's not about the plumbing but the chromosones!

I can see it coming:

OFFICIAL IOC RULING - Only transexuals who weren't very good will be allowed to compete in their new sex.

As for the 2nd placer's actions they were little classless but she has been robbed three years in a row of her championship, and is understandably frustrated

Good on that blonde for protesting the UBER-liberal rules that allow some fag with his penis cut off to compete against women. That dude should be shot.

YAY FOR THE BLONDE

You know, before I read the whole story, I was a little confused cause I thought maybe the woman on the left was a man too.

Ok, so since the blonde chick has balls, should she have to compete against the men?

Naw, shes still a whiney bitch who lost.

If a girl gets a hysterctomy does she have to compete against the guys? Trannys get so doped up on extrogen their muscles are shot anyway.

Vin, that's a crap analogy. If the blond chick decided to get her breast/uterus removed, a 'johnson' surgically attached, and take steroids, I'm guessing the answer would be yes, she'd/he'd have to compete against men. But guess what, she's probably be disqualified for doping.

People, get a clue - without testosterone, muscle mass depletes in males OR females within a couple of years. Michelle Dumaresq hasn't had testicles and therefore, has had very low testosterone for over TEN years! She doesn't have any huge advantage. Stop freaking out over transexuals. Sheesh. It's not like she has a super power and it's also not like she wins all the time. I'm not a transexual, I'm not gay, and I'm totally not freaked out by them. Get your panties out of a bunch.

LOL! Not a women. Not far. It's true.
Please think.
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Alonso (and Dean),

I'll grant your hypothetical case. Let's imagine that a male athlete, through his own genetic and environmental advantages, years of hard work, etc. becomes a world-class athlete.

And then let's say he has SRS. In two years he shows up to compete as a woman.

Now, wouldn't you expect that woman to be world-class in the women's division? How would that prove that her previous gender gives her an unfair advantage? Would it only be fair if SRS made all her other advantages go away?

I accept that Dumaresq has some advantages in the sport because she went through puberty as a man. I just don't think that makes it unfair. The important question is whether those advantages are big or small compared to the advantages that athletes already have on each other because of different genetic makeup, training, attitude, etc. I think the IOC has basically ruled that after two years the residual advantage is small.

I have a friend who used to be a man bicycle racer. As a man he was better than I. He had a sex-change 5 years ago and now sucks as a woman racer. She takes estrogen and lost all her manly muscleness. The fact that she used to be a good racer doesn't help her out at all now. The mind may be willing but the body is weak...

This is all very interesting. First, if it was a woman who became a man and then beat some men, it wouldn't be controversial, it would be celebrated. Even if it was a woman who just beat some men, sans sexual reassignment it would be celebrated. Second, the world has really gotten farked up to have a controversy like this one.

Actually, all three of them looked like former men to me. And you know, some percentage of the population actually has OPPOSITE chromosomes to their apparent BIRTH SEX. Various chromosomal abnormalities and genetic diseases ensure this.

Which means Danika THINKS she's a "real woman" (by the standards of some posters here) ..but has she had a chromosome test to prove it? If that is to be the standard, then we don't know. Then she's a man who only thinks she's a woman. If you want to be a hard ass, that's the reality.

There's a good chance she would fail. If you REALLY want everyone to have chromosome tests, many will be out.

But that's the problem with people spouting off when they don't know much about biology.

Okay Bob, just because your friend cut off his manhood does not mean he is now a she. Seriously, if a man has gone through puberty and topped off at 240 lbs, it doesn't matter if he chops his stones and loses 40 lbs. He's still 200 lbs and a good 60 lbs bigger than the other real women. By the way, this shemale transgender changing thing is also legal for the olympics. Sick sick sick. Male? Then race male. Just because I take steroid testosterone and bang a cow doesn't make me a bull.

Jeez, I just looked at the picture again and it's an ugly soft man up on the podium. It looks like Bob Roll with tits for crying out loud. Anyway, I feel for the blonde woman for being cheated year after year by a man.

What the above articles fail to mention is that before the sexual reassignment surgury, Micheal Dumaresq raced down hill as a male competitor. His race times against other guys were mid pack, at best. Three years later, he decides he's a woman, and in his/her first race back (which was in the novice class, by the way)smokes the whole field, including the pro women.
If mike Tyson went in for reasignment and then took hormone for three years, would it then be all right for him to box other natural women boxers?

I don't know the blonde that wore the shirt but I wish I did. I don't think it's classless. Freedom of speech for sure. If I was there, I wouldn't of yelled at the Man who is racing as a women (no matter if you have no male parts.. she still has the strength of a man). The reason Man and Women sports were created is to make them fair. I would of wore that same shirt but with Neon Pink writing but I don't agree with the rude people yelling mean comments. Blondie should be proud to be 100% women, racing in a Womens Sport. Michelle should be banned

To this day it shocks me to see adults engage in name-calling. I saw Michelle D. race in the U.S. once or twice... and people cheered her on until someone invariably yelled, "She used to be a man!" and then all the sudden there was name-calling and boos. So sad that we go out of our way to be nasty to people.

the_slf, that doesn't jive with anything I have read, anywhere. Dumaresq rode bikes a lot as a boy, but did not compete until three years after here SRS.

You got any evidence to back up that story? I think you're making it up.

xy chromosomal endocrinology genetically expressing from birth creates xy muscoloskeletal frame and physiology. SRS cannot reverse a lifetime of xy physiology, although it can alter transitory t/e ratios and horomone levels.
The organism is permanantly partially male.

bike racing is war! therefore alls fair, especially that shirt!

Everyone here is a whiny retard.

This situation simply does not pass the smell test, and anyone annoyed by the fact that a former male is allowed to race against women has good reason to be annoyed.

This would not be a personal attack against Michelle if her behavior was not so absolutely reprehensible.

This isn't about Michelle's sexual identity, it's about a person in a man's body racing against women, as a "woman."

I can dress my dog up like a cat and enter it into a cat show, but unlike woman's mountain biking, I'd be thrown out on my ear.

Shame on the governing competitive body for allowing this to happen. Michelle and all those in their new, extra-natural sexual category should be forced to compete in a co-ed class or be given a fair but substantial handicap.

This is wrong for the same reason that you are not allowed to use steroids legally or ethically in competitions to gain a competitive edge, because it's cheating and patently unfair. Michelle is cheating, and all of 'her' victories are ill-gotten spoils from a nasty battle against society.

People are angry at Michelle because this is bad behavior, and 'she' deserves to be called out as a cheat. Shame on her, shame on the powers-that-be who have allowed this to go on unchecked. Also, shame on those who would mock her for her choices in life -- I guess it's just hard to see past the crime and just see the criminal. However, she's put herself in this situation, and the mockery is the result of a collective non-transvestite community screaming out about the inequity of the situation. Right, wrong, or otherwise.

If you can't see that Michelle racing against women is just wrong ... I guess that you're destined to govern sporting events.

So much bullshit....so little time.....
Fact: the "chick" in the middle is standing on a higher pedestal than the chicks flanking her, which makes "her" look much taller than in actuality. (Still a bit of a hulk, tho.)
Fact: If this is the kind of thing that Canadians do when they're angry (wear hastily-made T-shirts w/protests on them) I gotta move to Canada. In the US someone might've been shot. Or bombed.
Fact: The rules clearly allowed this "woman" to participate.

Is that a good rule? IMHO, no freakin' way. Were they within their rights to suspend her? Absolutely. End of story.
Now can I get back to bleeding from the ears listening to George Bush try to speak English?

:D

When Renee Richards played on the women's pro tennis circuit in the late seventies, many feared it would soon be overrun by transsexuals. Renee (who has since returned to her medical career; she has a practice on Park Avenue in Manhattan) rightly responded that anyone who would change gender solely to compete in athletics would probably have all sorts of other psychological problems. (And since female athletes tend to make less money than their male counterparts -- that's true in tennis and golf, and far more true in basketball -- it wouldn't make sense from a financial perspective.)

I doubt Michael became Michelle merely to garner athletic glory, especially since competitive mountain biking produces few millionaires, so there must have been other gender issues not of a sporting nature.

The ignorance among some of these responses scares me.

Michelle never raced as a male. Ever. Whomever wrote that if full of it. Also, Michelle was never 240 pounds. She isn't 6'2" as the newspapers like to state. Michelle is 5'9. maybe 160 pounds with a wet towel wrapped around her head.

As for Danika, the only person whom knows what Michelle's chromosomes look like is likely her doctor. The reason that the IOC overturned gender verification testing was that 4% of the population is born intersexed either physicaly or in the chromosomes. There are born women with XY chromosomes and born men with XX chromosomes. So for all you guys out there 100% certain your girlfried is 100% female... :-) you may want to take her for genetic testing.

I don't really care whether or not Michelle competes. BTW, that 3 month suspension Danika was given... was to be served during the offseason. She went to the worlds.

So peeps, if you're gonna blow yer load on a web blog, at least get yer facts str8.

Here's something for you experts to all chew on.. one thing that Michelle has never said a word about in public is that during 2 races, her bike was tampered with. If you watch the documentary done about her, she crashes huge at the Grouse Mountain World Cup... some fucker undid her handlebars... and if you think Michelle deserved that, you're a moron.